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kz1000st 06-12-2024 01:56 PM

And this is news? More bikes and less cars is always better.

https://www.advrider.com/creating-mo...-least-trying/

kz1000st 06-12-2024 02:02 PM

Electric clutch news.

https://www.motorcycle.com/bikes/fea...lutch-44603191

sc00ter 06-14-2024 08:14 AM

All these dual clutch motorcycles crack me up. I remember being clowned for my Helix being fully automatic by "motorcycle" riders. If they want shift gears and play with a clutch lever that's their problem. I like my fully auto scooters, hence the reason I still ride scooters and not motorcycles. So to all these people buying an automatic motorcycle all I can say is "Welcome to moped ownership nerds!" Automatic on a motorcycle makes it a moped. Scooters have onboard storage and are step-thru.

I can see Honda going full electric. I'll stay on the fence until they get better battery technology. I learned a bunch with my ebike. Cold weather cuts your range, hot weather makes batteries act up, fast charging affects overall battery life, slow/safe charging takes forever, battery replacement is expensive, damaged batteries cause horrible fireworks, I stink at diagnosing electrical issues, battery power is heavy compared to gasoline powered and other things I'm forgetting. Overall I love my batteries in my ebike. I have faith a major change in battery weight/power/temp resistance will come and make me want a electric scooter one day.

kz1000st 06-14-2024 12:32 PM

Since I've been riding so long using a clutch doesn't phase me but for certain tasks the scooter makes life much easier. I have been tempted of late by a used DCT Honda at a local dealer with semi high mileage (27k) but clean and under $5k. Since Japanese motorcycles will run forever it is tempting.

As an aside I am Facebook friends with the owner of Freedom Motor scooters. He had a 400cc Chinese scooter is EPA testing but gave up on it. Not because it wasn't working out but that the market for scooters has sagged so badly he doesn't see a market for it in America. Also sales in this model have taken off for him.

https://freedomscoots.com/fighter200efi/

He's been riding one and loves it. Imagine a Grom with a 200cc engine.

sc00ter 06-15-2024 05:29 PM

Oh, I love bikes and can still ride one just fine. My problem is I get on one and I want to do a wheelie! Or go break 150+mph! Me personally I feel that motorcycle equals shifting. I would love to ride a proper DCT motorcycle just to see what its like. Would it add more complexity to a motorcycle? Is the service cost higher compared to a new clutch on a regular shifting motorcycle? How long does it last before needing servicing?

Scooters have their flaws as well with the belt drive CVT system, so I guess its down to what you like. Come to think about it a DCT motorcycle would kinda bridge the gap between the two. I wish my parking wasn't so tight. Anything over a 150cc can become a chore to get in my parking spot but I still kinda want to do one more impulse purchase, the kind that makes you later go "What was I thinking?" BUT you still enjoy it.

I will tell you what I found silly. That weird push button manual shifting on a Burgman 650. What a strange concept. Never understood what they were thinking. The Can-Am Spyder as well. That push button shifting is so dumb.

kz1000st 06-19-2024 03:11 PM

Get the sensation!

https://www.rideapart.com/news/72327...-turbocharged/

kz1000st 06-22-2024 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sc00ter (Post 540072)
I will tell you what I found silly. That weird push button manual shifting on a Burgman 650. What a strange concept. Never understood what they were thinking. The Can-Am Spyder as well. That push button shifting is so dumb.

I have a pretty good idea when a push button shift on a scooter would be nice....Hills. I was in the Catskills on my 250 Fashion one day on a group ride. We were on like an 7% grade when the group suddenly began to accelerate. Yanking the throttle open was futile as the variator will think you're upshifting and change the setup to do that. If you have the horsepower it works fine but against 117 cubic inch V-Twins i was standing still. Under the same circumstance my 250 Nighthawk would simply require a downshift, or two, and I would at least be moving quicker than the scooter.

In my experience a scooter CVT above 50 mph is pretty much a slave to not being able to move itself around to take advantage of its powerband. A gearbox is pretty handy in those circumstances, like passing a slower vehicle on the interstate. The Burgy shift button can help that out.

sc00ter 06-22-2024 02:33 PM

Yes, you made a valid point for sure. A good 99% of my riding is on flat ground, no speed over 45mph "posted" speed limit and stop and go commuting. I have zero experience riding both a motorcycle and scooters in any type of hills, and mountains? Nope! I still want to ride a proper dual clutch motorcycle one day just for the experience.

I've been invited to ride the "Tail of the Dragon" so many times and I always pass. I get motion sickness easily, plus I'm not going to ride all that distance to get there! I'll trailer queen my 2 wheel vehicle there!

kz1000st 06-22-2024 04:09 PM

A trip to France during D Day celebrations.

https://scooterlab.uk/sea-scoot-and-...ttany-rallery/

kz1000st 06-22-2024 04:11 PM

Ha Ha. A certain Italian scooter forum won't get to see this.

https://scooterlab.uk/52bhp-left-ves...oduction-news/

sc00ter 06-23-2024 04:29 PM

I still pop into the "other" web site and I've yet to see that huge GTS motor option linked on there yet. Honestly those guys are probably to busy chasing electrical gremlins to have their "other" brand of scooter running enough to do such a swap. I hate Piaggio's stupid P.A.D.S. diagnostic computer and the fact you need a dealers help should a check engine light come on. Neither of my P.A.D.S. equipped dealers know how to use the computer and want to throw parts at a problem, hence the reason I no longer own their products.

I bet that motor hauls serious butt though! I would LOVE to ride a GTS with that motor swapped into it.

kz1000st 06-24-2024 12:37 PM

I saw a news story where a man in NYC got hit by an e Bike ending up with broken bones. He was all for licenses, registration and insurance. One bad apple ruining it for everyone.

https://www.rideapart.com/news/72389...ter-ebike-ban/

kz1000st 06-25-2024 01:43 PM

Now this is historic!

https://www.rideapart.com/news/72436...ontinued-2025/

sc00ter 06-25-2024 10:36 PM

Fun fact. Ebike and kick style Escooter sales have also slowed down the sales of 50cc mopeds in the USA as well. What is also of interest is there's a zillion ebike and escooter manufacturers that are flooding the market with cheaper and cheaper product. Even I own 2 sub-$1500 ebikes that I really love.

Bintelli is trying to get in the ebike game. So is Genuine Scooter Company. Yamaha has a ebike division now. Ducati as well. Just so many power sports companies getting into the ebike game that's already saturated.

A friend and I are thinking about grabbing Genuine Rough House 2-strokes before Genuine has to quit importing them because of emissions. Both of us had tuned Zuna 2-strokes and we kinda miss the buzz of a stroker. But I did find a nice Vespa Rally 180 scooter that has my interest but there is a longish drive involved. I still want one more hurrah with a fun gas motor before I switch over to battery full time.

kz1000st 06-26-2024 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by sc00ter (Post 540100)

Bintelli is trying to get in the ebike game. So is Genuine Scooter Company. Yamaha has a ebike division now. Ducati as well. Just so many power sports companies getting into the ebike game that's already saturated.

CSC and Wolf are also selling ebikes. I was in a Lowes the other day and they had a Grom sized e motorcyle for $1995. It has a tiny range though according to the sales help. About 20 miles at 25 mph.


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