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teddy554 03-08-2013 10:48 PM

send them a email and ask, but it will fit the scooter fine but you might want to order some extra jets bigger and smaller to be able to tune in case the 85 is rich or lean. I want to give you some links to some good quality parts
this link is for all naruku parts for different makes and models have to find the gy6 stuff but there is some good stuff for your scooter and this place is pretty cheap to other sites http://www.mrscooterstore.com/Catego...Parts&offset=0
and not for your name scooter but is the same exact scooter
http://www.racingplanetusa.com/lambd...77c9e16537f580
and
http://www.spmotostore.com/category_s/3157.htm

tdsj 03-08-2013 11:01 PM

Thanks even though I still don't understand what size I'm looking for lol. I don't understand how three dif size mm things could fit such as 16mm 18mm 19mm etc. is it because the rubber tubes that go over the holes are stretchable?

prodigit 03-09-2013 01:08 AM

one thing I was thinking of,
Try loosening the throttle cable a bit at the handle, and tighten the idle screw.
This should give you a more fixed idle. If it's not fixed, then the issue is with your bike. If it's solved, the issue might be that the scoot gets it's idle from a tensioned throttle cable, rather than from the idle screw...

teddy554 03-09-2013 08:20 AM

The measurement is not from the outside they are inside measurements, fron 50 seconds to 150 he shows you where the measurement refers to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UipC6DLD-EE

tdsj 03-09-2013 12:26 PM

@prodigit ya I tried that thinking it might be the problem too but sadly it didn't work. @teddy thanks I understand on the sizes now thanks. Most carbs I look at only seem to have 1 screw for the idle. The 2003 qingqui that I had had one for the fuel and one for the air. But it also had a manual choke which might have something to do with it.

teddy554 03-09-2013 02:55 PM

yeah thats a 2t carb here is how a 4t works http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyspA...iSvP4R-_gfMiJm

scootnwinn 03-09-2013 04:35 PM

its a bummer you never got it going right. How do you feel about exploring your carb by cleaning it the only thing else that can cause that is gunk in the pilot circuit...

prodigit 03-09-2013 09:42 PM

There still could be an air intake leak...

tdsj 03-12-2013 08:59 AM

Hey guys, Sorry I haven't responded. I tried spraying again yesterday with carb cleaner. Again no luck. I took the carb apart no luck either. Today in about an hour here I'm going to be driving it to the place I bought it from and they are going to look it over when I leave it there. I'm also going to ask them to check out the steering column since when I put on the front break by it's self at a very slow speed about 2mph... the steering handlebars lunges forward about an inch or two almost causing me to lose control even at that low of a speed. So wish me luck in hopes that they find what I couldn't.

tdsj 03-12-2013 04:19 PM

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Well got the scooter back. I'm afraid he may not have found all the vacuum leaks but he found one that I couldn't. There was a hole in the rubber needle diaphragm for the carb. They fixed the steering. My scooter still idles up and down a lot. He said he fixed the problem but when he started it up and it started doing it on him too then he said that is normal for these types of scooters because of the diaphragm working at going up and down like a plunger at working to keep everything steady? I included a picture of what he was talking about in case I have the name of the part wrong. Also including a picture of the before and after for the oil, I don't think I need to tell you which is which lol

tdsj 03-12-2013 08:33 PM

If it's not one problem it's another. I'm putting the vacuum leak behind me until I get a new carb and air filter. But now I just found out why I'm getting bad gas milage. My back tire does not spin freely, I even loosened the cable with the nut. I pulled on it and wiggled it around making sure it wasn't hung up but that didn't help either.

scootnwinn 03-12-2013 08:50 PM

Wow take it back what is the name of the shop again? All these things should not be happening if a proper PDI was performed

tdsj 03-12-2013 09:08 PM

Not sure of the name of the shop. To be honest I don't think it even has a name. The guy kind of uses a old building that sells fireworks right next door. Listed on the title that I got in place of business I believe he used his name. They sell the bigger scooters. the type i got the atm's and four wheelers. all chinese. But yeah I will be seeing about taking it back for them to check out the back wheel tomorrow. hope I don't get another line about how it is natural for it to be like that. Because I go less than 50 miles on half a tank. I've tried looking online to see how much resistance a normal scooter tire should have for the rear but i can't find anyone spinning it by hand. Is it suppose to spin as easily as the front? When I attempt to spin it it automatically stops as soon as i realease my hand. in 98 percent of the full spin it's snug but the other 2 percent it gets tough.

scootnwinn 03-12-2013 09:21 PM

neither your idle or the rear wheel is normal. The idle may work itself out as it breaks in but a well set up bike idles smoothly with out any modulation in rpm. Tell the guy scootdawg said to quit giving you a line and fix it...

teddy554 03-12-2013 10:56 PM

all cv carbs have that diaphragm

prodigit 03-12-2013 10:59 PM

The rear wheel has the belt and cvt there, that provides some resistance.
The CVT will not allow the rear wheel to spin freely, however you can spin it by hand, but it'll probably stop spinning after a second or so....

If the rear really feels like it's 'braking' try to release the rear brake somewhat.

tdsj 03-12-2013 11:47 PM

Thanks guys. Ya I tried telling the mechanic that my cuz has basically the same scooter and his don't idle like mine. Yet he insisted that they were different even though the owner told me they were the same the day I bought mine. The tire stops immediately after I let go. I loosened the cable near the tire. What or where else can I adjust it? The brake handle doesn't go forward any further. Oh and the name of the shop where I bought it and had it worked on is called vw company in shelburn Indiana. I'm starting to wonder if i can get my money back. Less than 100 miles on it and bought it 8 days ago.

millsc 03-13-2013 09:04 AM

too many probably too early take it back and tell them to fix it, give your money back or have them give you a new one

teddy554 03-13-2013 09:52 AM

have you change the gear oil that comes with crappy oil in it also but, I hope the dealer will help you most of the time the dont

tdsj 03-13-2013 10:24 AM

No I haven't changed the gear oil. The back tire also has a wobble to it like maybe a bad drum brake? like how I mentioned earlier that for 2% of the spin it gets tough. But I'm taking it back to them today. To do one of the three things you mentioned. This time it wont be leaving their shop until it acts like a NEW scooter.

prodigit 03-13-2013 11:01 AM

The tire can wobble somewhat, they're chinese tires, not made under a fine tolerance. just as long as the metal part of the wheel/drum doesn't wobble, it should be good.
One thing you can do, is try to remove the rear tire, and see if perhaps the drum compartment got damaged?

If the brake lever feels loose (you've loosened the cable quite something), the brakes should not be slipping.

scootnwinn 03-13-2013 11:17 AM

its a new bike you shouldn't have to touch it or check anything in the first 30 miles. Not that you shouldn't check everything just that when you do it should all be good. Take it back and don't touch anything and give them a reason to void the warranty.

Swordsman 03-13-2013 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tdsj (Post 518581)
No I haven't changed the gear oil. The back tire also has a wobble to it like maybe a bad drum brake? like how I mentioned earlier that for 2% of the spin it gets tough. But I'm taking it back to them today. To do one of the three things you mentioned. This time it wont be leaving their shop until it acts like a NEW scooter.

I've never messed with a scooter engine, but I know Urals. Ural brake drums tend to be machined a tad off center and will get tighter/looser as they rotate, which gives a mild surging sensation during braking. Just food for thought.

JMHO, but I think if I was having that much weirdness, I'd just spring for a new carb. At least then you could mark off the most complicated of the possible issues. Sounds like you purchased from a shady "dealership" that did no more than finish bolting it together (which is a common problem, no?).

~SM

tdsj 03-13-2013 05:54 PM

Hey everyone. Sorry I ended up just taking it back to get my money back. The lady that issues the checks will be in tomorrow so I'll get my money then. So I'm sorry I took up everyone's time. I appreciate all the help I got. Thank you.

scootnwinn 03-13-2013 05:58 PM

So are you looking for another...?

tdsj 03-13-2013 07:16 PM

If it's around the same price but not the same brand. I've tried my local craigslist but most people on there have torn up their scooters or have the same brand at about the same price for used or have name brand that's way out of my price range.

millsc 03-13-2013 07:33 PM

my tao was alright when i got it, luck of the draw really

prodigit 03-13-2013 11:17 PM

Tao's are really the cheapest scoots to get nowadays. Problemless with a good PDI.
My suggestion, if you're going chinese, KISS (Keep It Simply Simple).
The bigger the bike, the more complex it becomes, the more things can go wrong.
Sometimes it's more annoying having a glove box light not working, than never having one. It makes you feel like the scoot is breaking down.

Swordsman 03-14-2013 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by prodigit (Post 518630)
Problemless with a good PDI.

It sounds kinda' like there wasn't one at all in this case. Probably never even fired it up, given all the running issues from the start.

~SM

prodigit 03-14-2013 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Swordsman (Post 518663)
It sounds kinda' like there wasn't one at all in this case. Probably never even fired it up, given all the running issues from the start.

~SM

Don't know what you're talking about.
I got 2 tao's, the ATM has given me zero problems, save for a few modifications I made myself, and some oil changes. If I wouldn't have done a PDI on it, it would still ride around without problems.

The EVO150 I have I just had to fasten some bolts, and do some hose-work.
And so far, so good.

tvnacman 03-14-2013 08:26 PM

interesting

hardd1 03-15-2013 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tdsj (Post 518613)
Hey everyone. Sorry I ended up just taking it back to get my money back. The lady that issues the checks will be in tomorrow so I'll get my money then. So I'm sorry I took up everyone's time. I appreciate all the help I got. Thank you.

tried to warn you.....suggest you look for a Znen built scoot....night-n-day difference in quality

tdsj 03-16-2013 07:06 PM

My cousin has the atm which is basically the same scooter. But he didn't have any problems. So ya luck of the draw and I understand the glove light theory. @hardd1 sadly I live out in a country wasteland surrounded by highways and I don't have a truck to haul the scooter back to my area so trying to find someone with a znen scooter wasn't and still isn't an option unfortunately. There are only two places within 60 miles of here that sell scooters the shelburn location and terre haute location and sadly both of them are owned by the same guy that I bought mine from which still only sells tao. So since I am good with computers I've decided to up my business and start collecting payments through paypal for online work i do. This way it's less likely I will have the cash to spend it and can save up for a nicer name brand scooter. I'm thinking the zuma or sr50 although I don't know what the prices range on the sr50 i've heard a lot of good things about them and also seen them online, which don't tell me much but I admit I like the digital display on them. One thing I liked about my tao though is it had the brightest lights I had on any of my scooters. Lit up a good 150 foot stretch of country road with the lights on high. As of for the pdi thing I'm not sure I follow on that part. Sorry

hardd1 03-17-2013 10:09 AM

great choice...nothing better than a 2-stroke 50cc....more power...less maintainence

prodigit 03-17-2013 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tdsj (Post 518839)
My cousin has the atm which is basically the same scooter. But he didn't have any problems. So ya luck of the draw and I understand the glove light theory. @hardd1 sadly I live out in a country wasteland surrounded by highways and I don't have a truck to haul the scooter back to my area so trying to find someone with a znen scooter wasn't and still isn't an option unfortunately. There are only two places within 60 miles of here that sell scooters the shelburn location and terre haute location and sadly both of them are owned by the same guy that I bought mine from which still only sells tao. So since I am good with computers I've decided to up my business and start collecting payments through paypal for online work i do. This way it's less likely I will have the cash to spend it and can save up for a nicer name brand scooter. I'm thinking the zuma or sr50 although I don't know what the prices range on the sr50 i've heard a lot of good things about them and also seen them online, which don't tell me much but I admit I like the digital display on them. One thing I liked about my tao though is it had the brightest lights I had on any of my scooters. Lit up a good 150 foot stretch of country road with the lights on high. As of for the pdi thing I'm not sure I follow on that part. Sorry

There seems to be a lot of difference between the more expensive VIP scooters, and the cheaper ATM scoots.
For some reason these ATM scoots just outperform, and surprise a lot of people, while the VIP's I see all the time in the garages and repair shops in South Beach Miami.
Don't know what's wrong with them...

millsc 03-17-2013 10:28 PM

my vip runs like a champ but ive replaced almost all the parts

prodigit 03-18-2013 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by millsc (Post 518896)
my vip runs like a champ but ive replaced almost all the parts

That, AND you know how to fix scoot problems.
A lot of people down here, don't know, so for them, it goes to the mechanic.


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