Thanks for the info, I guess 14 grams is a good place to start. I have a digital scale, so if needed I can remove a little material from the inner brass collar and reduce them to 13.5 or even 13 grams. They cost $30 shipped a set and I didn't want to buy them twice or even three times. Not sure why, but the 12 gram sliders are only $19.95 shipped.
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