Three Variator Weights?

[lykos23]

Originally Posted by 50cc

perhaps the vario spit the v-glider out since they're not pushed evenly against the plate while decelerating. i'd run it with three rollers for a week, but not with only three sliders since they tend to flip if you run only half of them. and anyway, engineers know better, so i'd wait for the 6 x 4g

The V-slide missing is 100% due to my clumsiness. Long ago I removed my variator for the first time and I put it back on. Just the other day I found a small plastic thing on the floor and threw it away because I couldn't identify it. Just about two days ago I noticed that the v-slide has been missing all along.

So far there has been no damage from missing a v-slide or from using only 3 sliders, but it's only a matter of time because the fact is both factors increase the rate in which the parts wear out. Every time I take a ride now I've been checking my variator just to make sure nothing has gone wrong with my little experiment and so far so good.

I wish I could wait, but I just can't. My scooter is my only vehicle and I have to drive it even if it kills me or the cycle. That is why I'm willing to risk a variator or belt just to maintain traffic speeds. My only other option is to ride my Honda Zook, and that thing isn't street legal...

[lykos23]

Got my 4g slider weights today, along with some v-slides. Unfortunately the v-slides are GY6 150 ones and not the ones I need...

Now that my weight setup should be perfect I have to wait to ride. Oh well...

[lykos23]

Originally Posted by techie610

Keep us posted with your findings.

I hope nobody thinks I forgot to update here

I got my 38 idle jet, v slides, and all my weights now and I think I'm going to have to re test all my speeds since I'm now able to take the tape off of my filter without bogging out my idle.

Starting with all 4g weights, at 267lbs on a 2009 peace sports 50, 63cc scooter, only now with an unrestricted freeflow filter.

4g:
35mph uphill

40mph flat terrain

45mph downhill


Three 4g and three 9g:

32+mph uphill, 28mph GPS

40mph flat terrain, 37mph GPS

50mph downhill, 43mph GPS

Next I'll try all 9s again. I'll probably be updating this post all day so I can finally compile my findings.

[lykos23]

Ironic... Now that I try to test all the speeds of the weights without the variable of a restricted freeflow and now my speedometer puck is broken... Ugh.

First it started driving with the speedo indicator stick shaking back and forth and now it's just unresponsive. Gonna have to buy a new puck. -sigh-

[lykos23]

Since my speedo puck broke I decided to use my tablet and the app "Ulysse's speedometer" to test what speed I'm going. I can't look at the thing while I'm driving, but at the end of the trip I'm able to see my top speeds.

So I've been driving on long stretches of consistent roads and pulling over and checking what speed I've been going. Then I jot it down on paper so I don't forget, and then once I'm done I bring it here for you guys to check out.

I'll be adding the above post with all my speeds to the first post of this forum and probably updating as I test these weights and their true capacities.

[techie610]

Good work with the whole experiment.
Sucks you speedo broke. But, GPS is ALWAYS better. Cannot go by the stock gauges on these things.

[lykos23]

Originally Posted by techie610

Good work with the whole experiment.
Sucks you speedo broke. But, GPS is ALWAYS better. Cannot go by the stock gauges on these things.

Thanks Techie, I'm working hard on getting accurate results here. How low do you think I can go in weights? I'm thinking that maybe having only three 4g weights would be just one gram too light to even push the variator, but I'm willing to test it, haha.

I knew the speedo was off slightly, but I had no idea it was off by so much. It has made the difference in my decision to get a bigger bbk. I thought I was going 50mph and here I'm going a measly 42mph or so. I'm thankful I decided to get a tablet with gps in it.

[techie610]

I don't think I would run 3 4g weights..
Not that you cant, but since your more than 220lbs, and its a 50, you would be running the RPMs pretty high..
Is the rest of the CVT stock?
What is the tire size?
Do you have an unrestricted CDI?

And is you riding area more flat or hill?

[lykos23]

Originally Posted by techie610

I don't think I would run 3 4g weights..
Not that you cant, but since your more than 220lbs, and its a 50, you would be running the RPMs pretty high..
Is the rest of the CVT stock?
What is the tire size?
Do you have an unrestricted CDI?

And is you riding area more flat or hill?

Makes sense, haha.

The rest of my cvt is stock, I've only got slider weights and 2k clutch springs. My CDI is unrestricted. My tire size is 3.5-10, they're brand new pirelli's

I've got whole town plotted out for rides, where I've got a huge hill by the polish village, a long straight stretch of road near my house, and I've always got the main road of 120 to test my flat terrain speeds on. The places I usually go it's pretty flat terrain.

Right now I'm running the six 4g weights and I'm kinda liking them better than my mixed setup. I think that will all change though when I get my 50mm bbk.

[techie610]

10in. tires are to small for my liking. Barely like my 12s.. -_-
How much of a difference did you see when you put in the 2k Clutch Springs?
Might want to install a 1.5k Torque Spring, as well.
If you are happy with the 4g weights, then probably leave them in. Try 5g, for more top end speed. And with that, you should be fine in near flat terrain. If you do the new Torque spring, you might like the 5g weight better anyways.
What are your RPMs at when your hitting 45 and 50 MPH?
Also, maybe look into a more open exhaust system.

[lykos23]

Originally Posted by techie610

10in. tires are to small for my liking. Barely like my 12s.. -_-
How much of a difference did you see when you put in the 2k Clutch Springs?
Might want to install a 1.5k Torque Spring, as well.
If you are happy with the 4g weights, then probably leave them in. Try 5g, for more top end speed. And with that, you should be fine in near flat terrain. If you do the new Torque spring, you might like the 5g weight better anyways.
What are your RPMs at when your hitting 45 and 50 MPH?
Also, maybe look into a more open exhaust system.

My tires are supposedly wide for how small they are which makes them nice for going high speeds, I feel stable as could be. But that could just be because my peace sports is a huge upgrade from my 8" or so wheels on my Honda Zook.

I was thinking of getting a new torque spring, but that won't fit in my bbk budget and they only have 150cc torque springs to buy with my Amazon credit. I'm definitely getting one, it's just a matter of time and such.

Huge difference when I put in my clutch springs. I used to lag behind traffic at every stop light, but now I'm about on par with the other cars. I get way better takeoff than before, it's just incredible.

I read horror stories of people ruining their engine with a performance exhaust without a bbk, so I'm going to be getting a performance exhaust with my bbk. This is part of the next order I'm making, unless I find a better bbk somewhere else:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...A3M9NXSSW7AH0E

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...d=ABXFT02JRY7L

Then I got some piston ring installers, calipers, a new iridium spark plug, and a new set of feeler gauges since I seem to have lost mine, in the cart.

Oh, and I have no idea what my rpms are because I have no tachometer :(

[techie610]

The thing about 10in tires, is that it takes more RPMs to be at the same speed of a 12in. Plus, they ride rougher.
I enjoyed my 2k Clutch Springs on my 80cc 2t.

I have not had a problem, on 7 scoots, with unrestricting my Ex.
On my Falcon 150, I opened the Ex. case, cut the baffles out, but left the Fiberglass and steel screen, and cut .25 of the pipe off the end. bolted it back together and it runs better. Wonderfully better, with more top speed. Plus, being shortened, it looks better too. lol

That's a good looking BBK, and the price is nice, as well.
Hope you get it soon.

[lykos23]

Again, makes sense. I hope my pirelli's last despite "riding rough". Ever since I upgraded the tires it's like riding on air, even when hitting big bumps. And my scooter used to shake excessively when hitting high speeds, like 40 or over, with the new tires that doesn't happen.

I'm really looking forward to getting a performance exhaust, but it's in the same cart as my bbk so I might as well wait 'til I install the bbk to install the exhaust, otherwise I have to install it twice, haha. I've got my #90 jet and I'm all ready to go.

My family isn't so agreeing with me upping the power of my scooter with a bbk, after I tell them I already can go up to 43mph they're scared to death of me going faster. They also refuse to acknowledge the good price.

But, next paycheck I get I'm determined to get that bbk, come hell or highwater. With the extra ccs I plan on going to the DMV and finally getting my L class driver's license.

Since the second speedo puck I ordered is coming in the mail I was brave enough to partially disassemble my current speedo puck and bend the thingies back. I now have a working speedometer again! Time to go test my 9g weights to finally finish this experiment.

[techie610]

Pirellis are great tires. You should be pleased with them.
What PSI are you putting them at?|

My girl is the same about the scoot. She wants to ride though, but is scared too try. She doesn't think I should be doing 60 on it, since they are small and such. However, I am a dude. And will I listen to her? Negative.
If I can do 60+mph on it, im good for now. I keep it for the MPGs and the sheer fun.
Plus, if it dies, its only $500 +/-. If my cars die, 1 is near $900 and they other?... I don't know... lol

Glad you got your Speedo working. Might want to GPS again, just to see how far it is off.

[lykos23]

Originally Posted by techie610

Pirellis are great tires. You should be pleased with them.
What PSI are you putting them at?|

My girl is the same about the scoot. She wants to ride though, but is scared too try. She doesn't think I should be doing 60 on it, since they are small and such. However, I am a dude. And will I listen to her? Negative.
If I can do 60+mph on it, im good for now. I keep it for the MPGs and the sheer fun.
Plus, if it dies, its only $500 +/-. If my cars die, 1 is near $900 and they other?... I don't know... lol

Glad you got your Speedo working. Might want to GPS again, just to see how far it is off.

My old tires were 36 max psi, so I would keep them at 33, my pirelli's max is 47 and my grandfather insists I don't go higher than 40.

My mother tried riding my scooter once, and within 15 seconds she had ditched it in the side of the road and scraped herself.

I don't have a car just because of those costs, haha. Sure I've put over $200 into my scooter, but it's damn worth it just for reliability's sake. $200 in car parts is nothing, but I've almost rebuilt my scooter now with the little parts I've replaced here and there. According to my mother I've damn near rebuilt the whole thing, but in reality I have yet to even replace the carburetor. My computer processor upgrade cost $200, a measly $70 for a bbk seems like a miraculous deal for some more speed and power.

First I had trouble getting the thing to go over 25, as you've seen from my progress thread. Then I had trouble getting it to takeoff at stoplights. Now I'm just trying to get it to the point that I don't have to go WOT 100% of the time to keep up with traffic. A bbk and performance exhaust should be well worth it if I achieve that goal.

And I'm definitely going to be comparing my speedo to the gps to see exactly how far off it is and if there is some consistency to it at least.